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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Publibs won&#039;t vanish overnight, Anna, but long term, yes, there are risks, and the DPLA does not help matters by clinging to the word &quot;Public.&quot; 

Already some foes of public libraries cite Google or other online content as a reason why publibs should be allowed to fade away or outsourced to for-profit companies. And now the DPLA wittingly or unwittingly is chipping away at the very special meaning of the term &quot;public library&quot; in the U.S.? See Web address below. 

Remember, too, that my objection is not to a Darnton-style &quot;Republic of Letters&quot; collection per se, of which I heartily approve. Rather it is to the misuse of the words &quot;public library&quot; and the possible preemption of a genuine full-service public digital system with public governance. Thanks. 

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/digital-underclass-what-happens-when-the-libraries-die/14554?tag=rbxccnbzd1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Publibs won&#8217;t vanish overnight, Anna, but long term, yes, there are risks, and the DPLA does not help matters by clinging to the word &#8220;Public.&#8221; </p>
<p>Already some foes of public libraries cite Google or other online content as a reason why publibs should be allowed to fade away or outsourced to for-profit companies. And now the DPLA wittingly or unwittingly is chipping away at the very special meaning of the term &#8220;public library&#8221; in the U.S.? See Web address below. </p>
<p>Remember, too, that my objection is not to a Darnton-style &#8220;Republic of Letters&#8221; collection per se, of which I heartily approve. Rather it is to the misuse of the words &#8220;public library&#8221; and the possible preemption of a genuine full-service public digital system with public governance. Thanks. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/digital-underclass-what-happens-when-the-libraries-die/14554?tag=rbxccnbzd1" rel="nofollow">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/digital-underclass-what-happens-when-the-libraries-die/14554?tag=rbxccnbzd1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anna Battigelli</title>
		<link>http://earlymodernonlinebib.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/a-digital-public-library-of-america/#comment-2318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna Battigelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David:

Are you concerned that public libraries will disappear if there&#039;s a digitized collection?   I&#039;m trying to understand you objection more clearly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:</p>
<p>Are you concerned that public libraries will disappear if there&#8217;s a digitized collection?   I&#8217;m trying to understand you objection more clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Shevlin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eleanor Shevlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good--I&#039;m glad that you&#039;ve already contacted the &lt;i&gt;NY Times&lt;/i&gt;. I do think the more this conversation enters the public realm, the more the plans for a digital library can be advanced and the more it can be honed in terms of its focus and scope. There&#039;s plenty of work, and many are needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good&#8211;I&#8217;m glad that you&#8217;ve already contacted the <i>NY Times</i>. I do think the more this conversation enters the public realm, the more the plans for a digital library can be advanced and the more it can be honed in terms of its focus and scope. There&#8217;s plenty of work, and many are needed.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with everything above, Eleanor--especially the chances of my replying to the op-ed. In fact, I already have emailed the Times. Prof. Darnton&#039;s commentary very helpfully raised public aware of the national digital library issue, yes, just like his other writings; and I&#039;m gung ho about research university collections being online for free with fair compensation for copyright-holders. I just wish that Prof. Darnton and friends would kindly drop the P word if they care about the franchise and branding of genuine public libraries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything above, Eleanor&#8211;especially the chances of my replying to the op-ed. In fact, I already have emailed the Times. Prof. Darnton&#8217;s commentary very helpfully raised public aware of the national digital library issue, yes, just like his other writings; and I&#8217;m gung ho about research university collections being online for free with fair compensation for copyright-holders. I just wish that Prof. Darnton and friends would kindly drop the P word if they care about the franchise and branding of genuine public libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Shevlin</title>
		<link>http://earlymodernonlinebib.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/a-digital-public-library-of-america/#comment-2315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eleanor Shevlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To realize either Darnton&#039;s vision or a truly all-encompassing Public Digital library will require many partners and collaborators. Google spurred interest and jump-started such projects, and Darnton&#039;s letter about his DPLA vision is fostering greater public awareness of the need. I imagine that you will reply to his letter, David, and thus raise the issue of what &quot;Public Library&quot; really means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To realize either Darnton&#8217;s vision or a truly all-encompassing Public Digital library will require many partners and collaborators. Google spurred interest and jump-started such projects, and Darnton&#8217;s letter about his DPLA vision is fostering greater public awareness of the need. I imagine that you will reply to his letter, David, and thus raise the issue of what &#8220;Public Library&#8221; really means.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rothman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Darnton vision in the NYT is stellar, as usual, but it doth not a public library make. America needs so much more than simply digitized collections of research libraries and the like. Meanwhile, sigh, the DPLA has yet to drop the the P.  

http://librarycity.org/?p=734]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Darnton vision in the NYT is stellar, as usual, but it doth not a public library make. America needs so much more than simply digitized collections of research libraries and the like. Meanwhile, sigh, the DPLA has yet to drop the the P.  </p>
<p><a href="http://librarycity.org/?p=734" rel="nofollow">http://librarycity.org/?p=734</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Shevlin</title>
		<link>http://earlymodernonlinebib.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/a-digital-public-library-of-america/#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eleanor Shevlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Darnton&#039;s closing remarks recognizes the significant role Google has played in illustrating the value of the digital for our intellectual life.

As Darnton reminds us, other countries have already undertaken the task of creating national digital libraries. He also mentions the possibility of Google assisting in this project, and I would hope that it would be willing to do so.  Interestngly, as noted above, it was Google&#039;s potential involvement in French efforts to digitize its colleaction that resulted in the French government&#039;s stepping up and supplying funds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darnton&#8217;s closing remarks recognizes the significant role Google has played in illustrating the value of the digital for our intellectual life.</p>
<p>As Darnton reminds us, other countries have already undertaken the task of creating national digital libraries. He also mentions the possibility of Google assisting in this project, and I would hope that it would be willing to do so.  Interestngly, as noted above, it was Google&#8217;s potential involvement in French efforts to digitize its colleaction that resulted in the French government&#8217;s stepping up and supplying funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Battigelli</title>
		<link>http://earlymodernonlinebib.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/a-digital-public-library-of-america/#comment-2312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna Battigelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert Darnton&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/24/opinion/24darnton.html?_r=1&amp;hp=&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1300970434-gAu2oDSZ3pFhap8ZoBjyeg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;op-ed on the rejected settlement&lt;/a&gt; published on March 24 in the &lt;em&gt;NYTimes&lt;/em&gt; pertains to this discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Darnton&#8217;s <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/24/opinion/24darnton.html?_r=1&amp;hp=&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1300970434-gAu2oDSZ3pFhap8ZoBjyeg" rel="nofollow">op-ed on the rejected settlement</a> published on March 24 in the <em>NYTimes</em> pertains to this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rothman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Eleanor. Deanna Marcum at LOC is well respected by librarians and the DPLA people, and I think the DPLA should clarify matters, immediately, by recognizing that LOC should do the public side. Meanwhile the DPLA could focus on Republic of Letters-style activities so dear to Bob Darnton and work to enrich public and academic libraries rather than _be_ the system or the main infrastructure provider. That&#039;s it in a nutshell. 

A good start would be for the DPLA and LOC to cooperate on a separate LOC-oriented wiki--with, however, some overlapping pages covering shared interests such as technology and the relationships between various organizations. With more structure and fewer ambiguities, the NDL movement might draw more attention, especially with LOC raising its profile here. That could also result in a significant amount of public money in time. LOC is, after all, the Library of _Congresss_. See my LibraryCity.org essay from yesterday mentioning the political angles.

As for Amanda French&#039;s fascinating post, I think a U.S. version of the Korean&#039;s mini-knowledge center would be fun, but I would rather see the money go for basics like redundant, distributed preservation (very much in keeping with the LOC&#039;s current goals as I understand them). Let the headquarters be within an existing LOC building--good both in terms of politician-pleasing economy and in terms of helping the virtual sufficiently reflect the physical holdings of LOC.

Unified negotiations with vendors via a consortium and/or a unit with the NDL system? Absolutely. The Harper26Collins outrage shows the need for libraries to acquire more control over their destinies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Eleanor. Deanna Marcum at LOC is well respected by librarians and the DPLA people, and I think the DPLA should clarify matters, immediately, by recognizing that LOC should do the public side. Meanwhile the DPLA could focus on Republic of Letters-style activities so dear to Bob Darnton and work to enrich public and academic libraries rather than _be_ the system or the main infrastructure provider. That&#8217;s it in a nutshell. </p>
<p>A good start would be for the DPLA and LOC to cooperate on a separate LOC-oriented wiki&#8211;with, however, some overlapping pages covering shared interests such as technology and the relationships between various organizations. With more structure and fewer ambiguities, the NDL movement might draw more attention, especially with LOC raising its profile here. That could also result in a significant amount of public money in time. LOC is, after all, the Library of _Congresss_. See my LibraryCity.org essay from yesterday mentioning the political angles.</p>
<p>As for Amanda French&#8217;s fascinating post, I think a U.S. version of the Korean&#8217;s mini-knowledge center would be fun, but I would rather see the money go for basics like redundant, distributed preservation (very much in keeping with the LOC&#8217;s current goals as I understand them). Let the headquarters be within an existing LOC building&#8211;good both in terms of politician-pleasing economy and in terms of helping the virtual sufficiently reflect the physical holdings of LOC.</p>
<p>Unified negotiations with vendors via a consortium and/or a unit with the NDL system? Absolutely. The Harper26Collins outrage shows the need for libraries to acquire more control over their destinies.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Shevlin</title>
		<link>http://earlymodernonlinebib.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/a-digital-public-library-of-america/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eleanor Shevlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s so much meat for further discussion here (David&#039;s comments, Amanda&#039;s post on the Korean NDL, and the choice of material (as well as the material itself) on the DPLA Wiki, but for now I will just offer some brief comments. 

In some ways Library of Congress would seem the ideal place to help spearhead what David is urging--and I believe that there would be at least some internal support for such work. Yet, I am not confident about external support.  From those I know at the Library, I don&#039;t see the danger of a lack of respect for local libraries or an interest in intruding on their governance/affairs.  I hope to say more on this later when time permits.

I too wish we could see/hear mention of digital library projects in &#039;Meet the Press&#039; venues, but we don&#039;t.  And I am also not always certain how much we truly value education in the U.S. despite how much the issue is discussed. From the Koreans I&#039;ve met and from the students I&#039;ve known who have taught in Korea, it seems that it is nation whose value of education is translated regularly into action.

Finally, the Consortium formed in Korea that Amanda French discusses:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In 2002, an assessment of a Korean digital library effort for university researchers called the Research Information Service System (RISS) discovered that 95% of its users were seriously frustrated by their inability to access the full text of foreign journal articles. Korean libraries simply could not afford to pay the permission fees. Four years later, in 2006, Korea had formed a consortium: the Korea Electronic Site License Initiative (KESLI), partly modeled on OhioLink, increased “the use levels of scholarly information to six times higher than average than before.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

recalls the discussions we have had about that need in the U.S. (though admittedly we were using the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jisc-collections.ac.uk/about_collections.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joint Information Systems Committee (JISC)&lt;/a&gt;, “established by the UK further and higher education funding councils in 2006 to negotiate with publishers and owners of digital content,&quot; as a model, and our discussions were directed within the context of higher education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s so much meat for further discussion here (David&#8217;s comments, Amanda&#8217;s post on the Korean NDL, and the choice of material (as well as the material itself) on the DPLA Wiki, but for now I will just offer some brief comments. </p>
<p>In some ways Library of Congress would seem the ideal place to help spearhead what David is urging&#8211;and I believe that there would be at least some internal support for such work. Yet, I am not confident about external support.  From those I know at the Library, I don&#8217;t see the danger of a lack of respect for local libraries or an interest in intruding on their governance/affairs.  I hope to say more on this later when time permits.</p>
<p>I too wish we could see/hear mention of digital library projects in &#8216;Meet the Press&#8217; venues, but we don&#8217;t.  And I am also not always certain how much we truly value education in the U.S. despite how much the issue is discussed. From the Koreans I&#8217;ve met and from the students I&#8217;ve known who have taught in Korea, it seems that it is nation whose value of education is translated regularly into action.</p>
<p>Finally, the Consortium formed in Korea that Amanda French discusses:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 2002, an assessment of a Korean digital library effort for university researchers called the Research Information Service System (RISS) discovered that 95% of its users were seriously frustrated by their inability to access the full text of foreign journal articles. Korean libraries simply could not afford to pay the permission fees. Four years later, in 2006, Korea had formed a consortium: the Korea Electronic Site License Initiative (KESLI), partly modeled on OhioLink, increased “the use levels of scholarly information to six times higher than average than before.” </p></blockquote>
<p>recalls the discussions we have had about that need in the U.S. (though admittedly we were using the <a href="http://www.jisc-collections.ac.uk/about_collections.aspx" rel="nofollow">Joint Information Systems Committee (JISC)</a>, “established by the UK further and higher education funding councils in 2006 to negotiate with publishers and owners of digital content,&#8221; as a model, and our discussions were directed within the context of higher education.</p>
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